As it appears, I am the stupid gullable person that should have seen this guy coming. He is supposed to furnish telemarketed leads that his staff (doubt he has a staff) has contacted and introduced me and for them to expect my call. He sells old recycled leads. Following is a partial list of what he sends.
I've been a loan officer for four years and a mortgage broker since March in Washington State.in the past I have always generated mortgage leads myself, however since the mortgage meltdown started in it was difficult, so I decided to try a different approach. I had received several Blast Faxes from a company called Exclusive Leads located in Beaumont Texas. After speaking to Laurence Groeger on numerous occasions, it sounded like an ideal lead source as his company does telemarketing directly to the public and introduces my name and mortgage company and obtains leads set by advanced agreed upon parameters.
There were more than enough red flags that were on the horizon prior to my sending advance payment that I've since recollected which are:
A) Refused credit card payment
B) Insisted I use his FedEx Account for overnight delivery
Later after I started receiving his so called leads, I discovered he works alone from his home as he represented he has a company with staff including an accounting, billing and telemarketing staff.
Later I found out he has had numerous of addresses in Texas and out of state in the last several years. Generally this is a sign of lacking stability or hiding from someone or something. What Groeger has done is victimize me and the people that I called on due to his leads. It is very obvious when calling these people as they tell me that they never spoke to anyone, or they do not speak English, or they got a refinance several months ago, or in one case the lady is out of the state at least during the previous 30 days he claimed he called her. He has sent duplicate leads and even leads that do not own homes as they were foreclosed months earlier. These are old RE-CICULATED leads that are available cheap from lead brokers. They were never called nor verified as claimed by Groeger. All that I spoke with had never received a call either from Groeger nor heard of my name and/or company.
My Cashiers Check in the amount of $980.00 was sent on June 17 and received by Laurence Groeger on June 18. When we never heard back from him nor received the promised telemarketing script for approval, we started calling. On July 2 during our phone call to him he stated he was having trouble obtaining leads in our area. He said he had his staff calling 7/1/08 with no luck on obtaining leads for area code 360. We then authorized him to call the entire state of Washington (on July 15 email) on a call to him on July 8 after he said his job would be easier if the area of leads was extended. Then within the week we started to receive all of his bogus leads. After our email and fax letter to him on July 17 canceling his service and requesting a refund as we never received what was contracted for, he called back. He said no refund and if you take me to court, I always win.interesting as apparently he has experienced court rooms before as apparently he has had other victims of his scheme.
In conclusion, Exclusive Leads needs to be shut down. He conducts fraudulent business activities as far as generating exclusive verified leads introducing his client and clients mortgage company. I can definitely say as far as for myself that Groeger has SCAMMED me and that he has totally MISREPRESENTED his service. I contracted his service based on the information he promised both verbally and in writing which turned out be a TOTAL FABRICATION.
His service was cancelled on July 17 via fax and email and refund demanded. Since that date he has sent more leads that are totally bogus. As an example, he sent several dated 7/16 and sent them to me on July 21 so there was no time to verify them in accordance with his contract. This is another sign of his fraudulent behavior.
The following page is a brief recap of what was sent to us. We are providing support documentation, contract information, blast fax advertising and other documentation to verify the above information.
Sincerely,
Clayton T.
Lead dated 7-8 received 7-8
Lead#1 Elwell Stated she never received any advance calls
Lead Dated 7-8 received 7-9
Lead#2 Emmonds Never answers telephone number provided
Lead dated 7-16 received 7-16 mis-numbered as lead 5
Lead#3 Field Stated he was never contacted and information on sheet not correct. Stated he did not want a telemarketing call.
Lead dated 7-16 received 7-16 mis-numbered as lead#6
Lead#4 Yong Kim - Does not speak English
These leads were sent after service was CANCELLED
Lead dated 7-16 received 7-21
Lead#5 Leonard Stated not called and does not want to speak to anyone
Lead #6 Acor Does not own a home Lead 6 & 7 are duplicates
Lead #7 Acor Does not own a home for past 2 months (Duplicate #6)
Lead#8 Sutherland Never called and does not want to be called
Lead #9 Sutherland Duplicate to #8
Lead#10 Sweet Out of the state from June 165 and not returning until Aug 30 per house sitter.
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