Subjects: Ivy Captial/Fortune Learning Systems
An address on “The Success Team” Portfolio I received from them states 2510 East Sunset Rd., #5-513, Vas Vegas, NV 89120
First, I must say that Linda, another unfortunate ‘victim’ with this company wrote a complaint letter that states pretty well what I have been through. But after what I went through today & after reading Linda’s complaint letter, my husband & I finally decided we needed to join this group after much being very reluctant. After what Ivy Capital has put us through, EVERYONE HAS TO PROVE THEMSELVES.
Secondly, I agree that deception should not be used in ANY business transaction. I agree as well that Ivy Capital uses deceptive techniques and I have become part of a group that is trying to stop them from doing the same to thousands out there that are simply trying to find a way to earn an honest income. I am also in hopes that with this letter and by joining this group, I will be refunded my investment. The people making these investments such as myself are not in the position to have thousands of dollars taken from them.
During your “interview”, they lead you to believe that they understand your personal situation completely and they will be there to help you out in any way they can. They ask what you personal financial situation is and how motivated you will be to work with your business and their coaches. They tell you they need to know this to find out if you’ll be a good candidate for their “Success Story”. They also base your investment price off your motivation & personal financial state.
After what ended up being a 2 ½ hour phone call on a Friday night, they needed our decision then, or the opportunity was off. Then as Linda stated, you go to Yozons through another representative and by that time I was so tired, I just wanted to get it over with.
Within days, I was called by Steve Nilssen, Accounts Manager and asked to sign up for a membership to Wholesalematch.com-this would help me find my products to sell, so of course I need it for a successful business I want & NEED!
Within the first week, my husband commented that we needed to check out Ivy Capital & just make sure they were OK. I did have to refer to my credit statement online because as Linda stated I really wasn’t sure about the official name of the company to investigate. I typed Ivy Capital into Google (I trust Google!) and the first thing that came up was SCAM-I said Oh No! After reading several stories, I knew I wanted nothing more to do with this company. The following day I called the direct line of the Senior Supervisor, Brent Makovski to request a refund and tell him I wanted to end the agreement. This was the same gentleman who very congenially signed me up for this program; his tone was not the same this time. Under no circumstances could I end the Agreement (the same as a contract he informed me at that time.) since the 3 days time frame was up. I just had to work really hard to make the investment back. I told Brent they weren’t providing good customer service. He told me I wasn’t a customer, I was a student—Interesting!
A couple days later I was called by Mark Williams, Manager of Resolutions (or Retention-I was told they sound the same by Wes Grover, Manager of Refunds) so my issue could be taken care of. I again explained I wanted to end the agreement with the company & wanted a refund. I was also not happy about being charged twice for the Wholesalematch.com membership. I was then informed that I should not pay out any additional fees on top of the initial investment until the 6 month coaching period was over. What!?!? Interesting, considering I had also had a coaching session & had been told to start looking in L.L.C.’s (this was one of my first steps in starting a business & would require more money)!! Mark informed me that only way out of the agreement since the 3 days were over was a death in the family. To me that pretty much means you’re stuck unless you plan to fight it legally & we didn’t have resources for that. Mark informed us that was the only way their lawyers would allow them to let people out of the agreement. He did offer us his top coach for no extra charge (Mark stated it would normally cost $20,000.00 to have a top coach.), so my coach was changed.
If I was put with their top coach, I’d hate to work with their worst. He was not aggressive in getting things going. He couldn’t remember what we did from session to session although I would hear him typing on his computer during our session-maybe notes, I guess not.
After a two month run around with Steve Nilssen, I finally received my refund for the Wholesalematch.com “double charge”.
For the other I have filed complaints with my State’s Attorney General’s Office, the Federal Trade Commission, Internet Crime Complaint, the National Consumer Protection Bureau, usacomplaints.com, & the http://usashameboard.com. I also tried to email Mark & Wes informing them I had issues and wanted a refund.
It wasn’t until / link removed / was sent to them that Wes called me a day I believe. He asked me what my issues were & I informed him. He said those were just excuses. I told him I had spoke to Mark Williams about the situation and his reply was “so you agreed two different times to do this program.” I said “no”. My conversation with Mark was me BEING FORCED to continue the program. I asked Wes if he had ever received ANY of my emails. He then looked through and found one that had been forwarded for my coach; then he became really nice. He accused me of speaking to someone I had never HONESTLY talked to. One of the victims has put up a nice complaint for herself & RECEIVED a refund (so I know it’s possible as I was informing him). He then accused me of lying to him about speaking with her. I simply told him that I knew that she was a victim & that was all. He stated it was because of her & I that they had to tighten their refunds and that if I was interested in a refund, my lawyer would have to contact theirs.
Yes, I made a HUGE mistake. BUT my “Coaching Sessions” would never have helped me build a website to make BIG MONEY as Michael Oates, Ivy Captial/Fortune Learning Systems originally presented the idea to me. THIS company takes advantage of people and I truly believe they enjoy doing it and they need to be STOPPED. They are taking advantage of people who are unemployed or in a medically disadvantaged situation and don’t have the money to LOOSE. I believe if you have a credit card with a large limit and a lot of enthusiasm, they really take advantage-I was one of these victims. Anytime I read stories from people about what happened to them, it makes me ill. PLEASE help us get our money back & STOP this company from their crimes.
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