Hi Boys & Girls,
Saying there isn't a problem in the NADN/Oryan nightmare is like saying there aren't any Os in Google. You all are saying very familiar things, so here's a cross section of the story from my household.
The tax quest began with NADN because we were about to sell our previous house that was held as income property. We had heard that recapture on depreciated property was complicated.
The 101 Hot Tax Tips tape begot the phone calls. Play upon fears of the IRS got us into the tax prep/prepaid audit protection boat. We did try to get out as well, but were strung along beyond the 30-day window by the no response to phone calls tactic. We ultimately accepted our fate and thought that it might turn out to be an okay deal after all.
The phone calls begot the hard-sell, complete with skillfully placed lies, inferences and assorted well honed pitches. Like many I d thought of starting a home business. Unlike many I knew exactly what that business would be and that it was on the horizon but off in the distance. Because I tend to be cautious I had also thought of placing that business in a corporation. I did not want to start my business for at least 5 to 8 years with an eye on having it up and running for a retirement business.
Then the mallforall idea was brought to the table. The hard-sell begot the sweetening of the pot with promised add-ons. This household without the protection of a corporation couldn't even consider this mallforall. The expense of that was out of the question because it was out of reach. Clever semantics and the combining of earlier money with additional money plus empty promises got us to agree to a mallforall inside of a corporation plan. Nice picture of a carrot!!!
So guess how this fairytale goes on from here? You are good!!!
The way it was supposed unfold was for the mallforall to be inside an S corporation. NADN was to help us defray the immediate hit of the costs by filing our 2002 electronically with their brand of tax magic. We were also to claim nine (9) on our W-4 forms for the long haul. Our $6,602.95 we were told, or lead to believe, would cover the purchase of the mall (the promissory was understood to cover the remainder of the visually impaired accessibility modification) the difference would cover the sweetened incorporation plus tax representation package of several years (3-4) of audit protection with personal tax preparation. Without question we were strung out past the 30-day mark. We continually phoned to get an invoice. That invoice didn't materialized.
Paperwork shenanigans and unanswered phone calls prevented taking action in time to participate in 2002 Christmas sales. Not having the invoice and other information delayed completing and sending the income tax organizer early. We ended up sending the organizer to Mary Orie, Director of Tax & Technical, without that information. We cited that they had the information in-house. During one of the numerous calls requesting the invoice, we were informed that they do not file electronically. Due to the delay we did not meet their deadline and they filed an automatic extension on our behalf. While discussing the tax organizer with our tax preparer it was found that the mallforall was not a part of the S corporation. There is a book that can be written on that problem, the letters and attempts and why it is still that way.
I didn't mention that the name of the corporation was supposed to use the first three letters of my wife's name and the first three letters of mine. Three letters from two people is not an easily misunderstood idea. If you have more than six letters you have a mathematical problem (If you do taxes for a living and have problems with simple math you don't have much credibility). CHEGAR was supposed to be pronounced like sugar. Well we are named Chegarine which is not as sweet. Not the normal attention to detail that you would expect from a group charged with incorporating you. Not the type of detail expected after a $6,602.95 outlay. But I almost hear you thinking, It's the level of service that NADN provides. Our's is a corporation with nothing in it, delivered by paid consultants who didn't call to consult.
So, how about that Oryan Management/mallforall & shop'n2000 thing? Look, it should be a profitable business and thanks to my wife's persistent letters and e-mails it may be heading that way. Sometime in the past few days the format was changed again. It looks like it is very promotable in this form as long as it will function properly and should become profitable. Oryan may not be the main reason why we arrived here. They are the ones who NADN, through whatever they wooed with, has us owing money to. Consider that Oryan may be NADN clients or victims as well.
For other owners, your mallforall/shop'n2000 has not been profitable because it has been unreasonably dysfunctional. That, along with the misinformation that we were given by NADN, is the main obstacle to making this a workable business.
The mallforall is in my wife's name, until recently I have been unable to get involved. There is a CD-R and a pile of documentations on paper, 5 inches thick, which has amassed from various sources since the November changeover. A backpage newspaper ad was run for 4 weeks for my wife's mall buring the Holidays. Only 15 hits were generated because the site was barely navigable and not user friendly.
Many of those hits came from me trying to fill my holiday list. I am not the only one that was a sure thing customer for this site. Lots of friends and family had planned on buying at the site for the holidays. I only was able to get to and buy at one site. My daughter and son-in-law couldn't book their $650.00 airline tickets.in addition, many people's reason to purchase at the mall was due to a personal association. This caused a big scramble to substitute items on lists elsewhere. Not only did this cause an immediate sales problem, but also has created a list of former supporters due to confidence issues and I'm sure this has scared away, forever, anyone who responded to the advertising and other types of promotion during that time span.
As you owners may know, tons of sales were lost by you, but Oryan reported record sales.
So, we are riding the same sinking boat. Let me fill in some things about mallforall as noted. It has been found and confirmed by proxy that people were clicking in the "zipcoded" site but redirected to other mallforalls. It is unknown for how long. The other big issue is Accessibility. I'm sure that the altruistic feeling inside of you made the accessibility modification look good. You accepted that the site was properly modified because of the Bobby-AAA and WAI-AAA symbols.
Well we were all sold the same incomplete modification. How can you sell one basement to a bunch of people when they are paying for room additions? How can you do something this dastardly against the handicapped? It was suspected but now confirmed and the reason why this is being written. There is pride associated with helping people with disabilities. There is distain for those who would knowingly mistreat them under the guise of help. Well, take a look, just go to the TEXT ONLY site, copy the URL from the address bar, click on the BOBBY AAA APPROVED seal then enter the URL on the page and copy it. Enjoy!!!
If you are looking at the day old new generation of the mall go to MALL TOOLS/IMPAIRED ASSISTANCE/TEXT ONLY SITE. And in fairness, I think they are working on the site this weekend, but that shouldn't effect the BOBBY report for the content of that page.
The TEXT ONLY section is not working yet today but from web copies it looks like it has never been ADA compliant as paid for. If anyone musters a class action suit there is a lot of documentation in my hands. Find me right here, I'll be checking back in. I'll need to know what kind of proof you are looking for. Please understand that you must, by agreement, continue to promote your site, like it or not.
I do not believe that we can bring suit against them individually due to clauses in agreements. The money that was spent out of pocket and through the promissory note is where your Tax write-offs came from. It may be better to pursue getting them to get the site running in the best possible way to make it promotable. We should also get them to completely drop all monies not associated with those tax write-offs plus any and all interest associated with the promissory note and site for these previous troubles.
Or, judging from all of the people with these problems, maybe we should all get together and have an ongoing SHOWCASE "clicking" party to pay for the promissory notes. If everyone complaining just at "consumer complaints" did this for each other that would take only one day!!! Ha, ha!!!
Gary
Marietta, New York
U.S.A.
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