Nick Crane, Happyhourcard.com Happy Hour Card, Formerly Known As Dater Card Dater Corp
Nick Crane, Happyhourcard.com, Happy Hour Card Dater Card, Dater Corp not transparent or honest about hiring practices and former business names

I am a skeptic looking for jobs, and I am glad that I was skeptical of this "job opportunity." I looked up the name on usacomplaints.com and found some bad reports. Still, I went ahead and let him speak for himself. He did a poor job of it, both grammatically and in actually addressing the question I asked. Plus, he had the gall to lie and say that my information on Dater Card was incorrect. He never addressed the concerns I sent via email and instead just said that I was wrong. I hope this report will help fellow job-seekers who don't want to waste their time.

From: Heina
Sent: Monday, January 12 10:02 AM
To: nickc@happyhourcard.com
Subject: Full-Time position

Hello Nick,

I am a near college graduate with a completely flexible schedule looking to work as much as she can. I am quite sociable and enjoy working with people. Attached is a copy of my resume. I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,
Heina

On Mon, Jan 12 at 9:20 PM, nick crane wrote:

Heina,
We have reviewed your resume and would like to invite you in for an interview. Please read this in it's entirety and follow the instructions set forth.

We have the following dates and times available:
Wednesday: 12:00 pm 2:00 pm
Thursday: 1:00 pm 2:00 pm 3:30 pm
Please tell us (2) of the most convenient times for you to come in for an interview. We will reply back with confirmation email confirming (1) of your selected times:

We are located at the following address:
Universal INC i. E Happyhourcard.com
17333 Flame Tree Circle
Fountain Valley Ca 92708
Brook Hurst & 405 Freeway

We are a startup company so please feel free to dress business casual.
* Our expansion and new office is set for February in which we plan on moving to the Newport area. If this location is an issue based on your commute please do not apply.

Sincerely,
Nick C & the entire Happyhourcard.com team

His response was similar to ones I received from MLMs aka pyramid schemes, so I replied for clarification.

From: Heina
Sent: Tuesday, January 13 7:06 AM
To: nick crane
Subject: Re: Full-Time position

Nick,

My two preferred times would be Wednesday at 12 and Thursday at 1.

My only question is if there is any up-front cost associated with working for you, as similar responses to my resume tend to be from MLM marketing companies rather than companies willing to offer traditional jobs and pay. No offense, but I just want to make sure before I book the time slot, as I don't want to waste your time.

Regards,
Heina

On Tue, Jan 13 at 7:55 AM, nick crane wrote:
Heina,
You are confirmed for an interview on Wednesday 1/14/09 @ 12. Please be on time and if you have any questions or have trouble finding the place please do not hesitate to call. My mobile is the best way to reach me since I am always on the go.
*Please bring 2 hard copy's of your Resumes and an ID.

Sincerely,
Nicholas Crane
www.happyhourcard.com
nickc@happyhourcard.com
off (949) 945-7691
fax (949) 612-3806
cell (310) 490

As you can see, he ignored my question.

From: Heina
Sent: Tuesday, January 13 8:46 AM
To: nick crane
Subject: Re: Full-Time position

Nick,
I attempted to call but it went to voicemail. I still do not have an answer to my question from my previous email:
My only question is if there is any up-front cost associated with working for you, as similar responses to my resume tend to be from MLM marketing companies rather than companies willing to offer traditional jobs and pay. No offense, but I just want to make sure before I book the time slot, as I don't want to waste your time.

Again, to reiterate, I do not want to waste your time or mine, so please, could I have an answer to my question?

Thank you very much,
Heina

On Tue, Jan 13 at 2:00 PM, nick crane wrote:

There is no upfront cost of working with Happyhourcard. This is a great opportunity the pay structure will be explained if we would like to bring you in for a 2nd interview.

Thanks,
Nick

Again, no simple answer to a simple question.

From: Heina
Sent: Tuesday, January 13 2:05 PM
To: nick crane
Subject: Re: Full-Time position

Nick,

As I am sure you know, being upfront about pay structure is a normal part of legitimate business hiring practice. As such, I will not be interviewing tomorrow unless it is explained to me openly and honestly. Thank you very much for your reply.

Regards,
Heina

On Tue, Jan 13 at 2:46 PM, nick crane wrote:
We really do not have time we are doing a hiring event. It is legitimate but we need a NDA signed before discussion takes place. We have a couple competitors whom would be very interested to get there hands on our info...

Thanks,
Nick

From: Heina
Sent: Tuesday, January 13 2:56 PM
To: nick crane
Subject: Re: Full-Time position

Nick,
I am not looking for information, I am looking for a simple answer: do you pay hourly? On commission? Or what? That will take about 5 minutes of your time and will save you plenty of time in terms of not interviewing me if I'm not interested.

If you had actually read my resume, you would know that I am a broke college student, not a competitor out to get "there" hands on your information. You could have called me to verify, or, better yet, returned my calls.

Again, being upfront about pay structure is a normal part of legitimate business hiring practice. Please waste your time on the more gullible. I will certainly be reporting you and alerting others.

Have a nice day.

I told him I didn't want an interview, right? Still, he replies, but doesn't answer the simple, clear question with an honest answer.

On Tue, Jan 13 at 3:06 PM, nick crane wrote:

There is no way until an NDA is signed to know you are not a competitor. We are legitimate, Have a nice day.

Thanks,
Nick

From: Heina
Sent: Tuesday, January 13 3:13 PM
To: nick crane
Subject: Re: Full-Time position

Why would a competitor want to know what the pay structure is? How would that benefit anyone? You continually demonstrate your lack of professionalism by failing to address my simple question. I am not looking for information, I am looking for a simple answer: do you pay hourly? On commission? Or what? Companies pay, and real, legitimate ones will tell you how you'll be getting paid prior to an interview. It's called legitimate business practice. You continue to not answer my simple question.

By the way, I did some research and have found that you used to be known as Dater Card. If Dater Card launched only in April why would you launch something so similar so soon, something that is basically the same product?

He gets all defensive:

From: nick crane
Date: Tue, Jan 13 at 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: Full-Time position
To: Heina

Have a great day and when looking for a job it is not appropriate business practice to verbally berate a potential employer. We are no longer interested in bringing you in for an interview and wish you the best. Your facts are in correct as well. Please do not reply back to this email. We are very busy...

Thanks,
Nick

I told him that I didn't want an interview anyway several emails ago. If he actually read my emails he might have, you know, realized that. I did not verbally berate him, I only called him out on his lack of comprehension and asked him for clarification, and that was only after he wasn't a potential employer for me. This might be a legitimate business, for all I know, but Nick is certainly very afraid to disclose something all legitimate businesses disclose to their employees: what the pay will be. That way, no one's time is wasted in fruitless and pointless interviews.

I am definitely "in correct" — that is, I am in the correct state of knowledge. He himself replied to the complaints on Dater Card with his full name and all information. If I'm "in correct, " then he is, too, because he is the one who defended Dater Card with such passion. Notice that Dater Card's information is the same as Happy Hour Card.

I am glad that I am skeptical and did not waste my time with a company that would not tell me anything as simple as what I'd be paid for working from them. Maybe the cards are real, maybe they aren't, but not being upfront about pay and not answering simple questions is a sure sign of an unprofessional employer. Why would he be dishonest about Dater Card if it's as wonderful as his rebuttals claim, and why wouldn't he just tell me "it's commission" or "it's hourly" — how hard would that be, and how would a potential competitor benefit from knowing that? Logically, it makes no sense. I feel sorry for the people who will be at the "interviews" this week, and hope that this report might reach at least one of them.

Company: Nick Crane, Happyhourcard.com Happy Hour Card, Formerly Known As Dater Card Dater Corp
Country: USA
State: California
City: Fountain Valley
Address: 17333 Flame Tree Circle
Phone: 9499457691

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