Venusian Arts
Erik Von Markovic Seminar Scam

Venusian arts seminar and infield training early 2009

Mystery Method/Venusian Arts = pyramid scam and elaborate excuses why you didn't get laid. At my bootcamp Mystery and Discovery were full of excuses why they couldn't pick up. F*king losers.

I signed up for a BC off their site. The original was cancelled at the last minute (literally less than 24 hours notice) because they couldn't get enough suckers. Then after I put my deposit down for the second time they had a rather unconvincing chode ring me to try and sell the idea to me. I could tell he was lying but just thought it was typical sales spin. Should have been a clue but I worked in sales at the time and dismissed it as part of the process.

Bootcamp consisted of mystery crapping on about how wonderful he was for about an hour and a half to begin with "baffle with bullshit" tactic. The rest of the BC was Discovery mostly reading aloud from parts of the revelation book with Mystery taking over when his voice needed a rest. A few practical parts eg San Francisco handshake, PUA spin move, how to open a set.

First infield night was Mystery trying to pick up a few girls but didn't seem to achieve much. They didn't wing any students but palmed a few average girls off to some guys with bulls*t like "this guy's a producer" or "this guys a photographer" which wasn't true. Then they disappeared later on and left the students by themselves.

Discovery asked students to write reviews at the beginning of the second day (Saturday) which made students feel obligated to write positive things for fear of being shunned. They gave little to no feedback on the students performance from the previous night.

Second night was at different club. Had a table and a bottle. Blackberry schnapps if I remember correctly. Students told go use their skills. Again no infield support or instruction. After this place we went to a different place where they disappeared again.

The excuses given the next day were mostly that they needed girls to take to either club to demonstrate "pre selection" to "warm up the adjacent sets". Pretty useless advice to give guys who didn't or couldn't have girls to take to the club to begin with. After all if they did they probably wouldn't be taking a BC in the first place. If they were the "worlds greatest PUA's" why not demonstrate from starting with nothing and ending up with hot girls? To be fair they got attention from some chicks but they were slightly above average at best. And I have picked up myself previously to the BC and I couldn't see any "chemistry" or "sexual tension" in their sets. I don't believe that they were getting anywhere or at least anywhere fast.

Third day was breakout sessions. These cost extra. Discovery gave a basic primer on day game. Very basic and not particularly inspiring or helpful. Mystery gave mini seminar on strippers and hired guns. Probably the most useful info of the whole experience. But still only about 60% useful info.

There was no follow up support. To get access to the VIP section of the forum this require a (positive) review. This section was pretty dead anyway and nothing particularly useful contained within.

If you are reasonably decent at talking to strangers you can probably convince virgins you are a PUA guru. Doesn't take much talent. Just a complete lack of morals.

Forgot to add that if anyone asked a question they couldn't answer or didnt like they tried to frame the guy as gay. It's their "get out of jail free card" to avoid hard questions.

Boot camp ws sold as a 4 day event which only went 3 days.

Customer service was unresponsive when questioned about even a partial refund.

For more about Venusian Arts and their unethical business practices see www.puahate.com and www.puafraud.com

Company: Venusian Arts
Country: USA
Site: venusianarts.com

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